Dear prabhus, pammho. agtsp.
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[PADA:
PLEASE GET THE "POISON TAPE" ON TV and RADIO
in Croatia, WE'LL SEND IT!]
From: "sadbhuja.gaudyamath@comtron.si"
<cloncar@www.comtron.si>
To: pada@netroplex.com
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:09:42 +0000
Subject: Slovenia/Croatia update
Reply-to: sadbhuja.gaudyamath@comtron.si
Dear Puranjana Prabhu! pamho, agtsp!
I forgot to tell that the popular croatian magazine
"Arena"
wrote another article this week. They showed the public reaction,
and also made a whole part about "THE GURU BUSINESS"
and Sulochana Prabhu's story. This journalist is getting into it.
Some members
of Iskcon wrote her and called her "Sloven,"
"Idiot," "Meat
glutton," and other nice words.
[PADA: This is very typical. When the GBC clones wanted to
criticize Sulochana, after he was murdered by a GBC conspiracy,
they said he was bad because he was a drunk. "Give a dog a
bad
name and hang him," Srila Prabhupada used to say. Character
assassination, the GBC's code! Of course what their gurus were
drinking in their sexual activities is unspeakable in this forum.
Thus, in 1986, one woman reporter called me, very alarmed,
"Are the Hare Krishna's now saying they are going to kill
everyone who drinks beer?" So, whenever they defend their
stupid ideas, they just end up revealing even greater stupidity,
and thug-ism. I told
that woman that their gurus engage in abominable sexual acts,
even
with boys, and yet they are criticizing us, just see the idiocy.
The obvious question here is also, "If we are all a bunch of
drunks, then why do they even worry about us"?
Like duh! Why shoot drunks? You are more of a fool than the
drunk! And if we are drunks, we are at least not saying we are
gurus!
Why are they always making so much propaganda that we are
preaching the wrong thing? If we are drunks, as they say, then
who would listen to us? The next question is: we so-called
drunks,
and even the the meat eaters, never say that homosexual
pedophiles
[and their voters]: are, were or could have been gurus, but you
there worship Harikesh, the biggest exponent of homosexual guru
lineages, and the person who spoke up to keep a known homosexual
pedophile worshipped in 1986?
So, why are you more advanced? No. The karmis are far more
advanced than you, they'll never make an offensive comment
that homosexual molesters are in Krishna's guru lineage! Srila
Prabhupada says that even the dog does not engage in these
homosex
activities, so their guru is less than a dog, because he supports
these folks as his official leaders, and worse, he supports the
worship of these less than dog behaviors "guru
lineage"!]
We already preparing for working in Germany. I told ALL
journalists I know, that I fear my and your lifes. You are
getting famous in Europe. What about a visit, people are asking
for you?!
I hope that the GBC does not thinks: "Only a dead devotee is
a
good devotee..."
I forwarded your letter with your phn.no., hope that's ok.?
Maybe you'll get a phone call from slovenian or croatioan
journalists.. Some croatian devotees want the "Guru
Business."
Their e-mail is: xxxxxxxx(do not publish this address, please).
[PADA: The "Guru Business" is on our website, you can
print it out
from there? If not, we can arrange a paper copy. Please note that
at the time of that writing we did not have access to the 37
volume
conversations, which came out later].
your friend and servant Sadbhuj Gour das
Loncar.of.Cvetkovitch@comtron.si
[PADA: As for me going to Slovenia, that may not be practical.
All
modern TV and news agencies are here in Los Angeles, they have
affiliated connections worldwide. Try to get us interviewed here,
by some folks from your area?]
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From: xxxxxxx@.com
Subject: purify the GBC
agtsp. pamho.
I admire you for your courage to stand up for what is right.
Without the purity of purpose this Krishna Conscious movement
is a hollow shell.
It is the absolute duty of the GBC to see to the purity of its
own members and the members of ISKCON at large. That is their
sole purpose. If in fact there has been an offense to the Pure
Devotee (Srila Prabhupada) Then it is the express mission of
the GBC to investigate and reveal the truth to all the
members of this great spiritual movement.
If they cannot police their own members then it is the duty of
the sincere devotees to find a means to rectify their(GBC)
short comings. If the GBC is corrupt from within then they can
not be expected to rectify themselves.
Suggestion: If in any organization that fails to police itself,
outside pressure must be applied. If your evidence can be
substantiated beyond a doubt then you must find a legal entity
that will try your case in a federal court room. Then all
evidence can be presented without the tampering of prejudiced
parties. A class-action suit can be brought against the GBC
as a whole.
Of course in all legal matters the biggest obstacle is money.
If enough people feel you have a case then a legal fund could
be set up. Or a sincere devotee of Srila Prabhupada, who is a
lawyer can try this case on a pro bono basis. Or the monetary
assets of each GBC can be leined as payment for punative damages.
This would help expose misuse of ISCKON funds for their private
(GBC) use.
The reason this subject has taken so long to be exposed is the
very reason the GBC can not be trusted to police themselves.
They have no self-serving interest to pursue this great offense.
Suggestion 2: Compile all your evidence and make hundreds of
copies. Keep all original documents, tapes, letters and
interviews in a safe place. Show this information to a legally
astute party and get some feed back as to the strength of your
case. If enough LEGAL AUTHORITIES say that you have a case
then present it far and wide to all interested devotees.
Someone who reads this WELL documented evidence will be moved
to act. Stay away from heresay, rumor, and false accusations.
Stick with the facts. Don't become melodramatic, exaggerate or
distort the facts. Let the other party lie and perjure themselves
in a court of law. If you do in fact have the truth then it
shall be revealed.
This act in and of itself is a purificatory process that must
be done by all sincere followers of Srila Prabhupada. Without
purifying our hearts and minds of mundane desires (profit,
distinction and adoration) then Krishna will not reveal the
Absolute Truth to us. Srila Prabhupada applied himself
to the purificatory process by coming to America at an advanced
age, with no money and no support. He embarked on the spiritual
path that led to his surrendering to his guru and ultimately
Krishna. He gave up everything near and dear to himself and
placed himself at the mercy of guru and Krishna. He was justly
rewarded. So we are asking the GBC to give up everything they
find near and dear to themselves ie. temples, disciples, honored
positions, zones, separate quarters, titles (maharaja, goswami,
swami, gurudev and your divine grace), bank balances, silk
clothes, special prasadam, worship and distinction.
All of these we ask you to give up for the higher good of
speaking the truth. What really happened to Srila Prabhupada???
Please answer this question truthfully!!!
If you do not know then say so and don't lie to cover up for
those that do. If you do know the truth (And you know
who you are) then make your self glorious in this life and in
the next by telling all the sincere vaishnavas what really
happened. You may face some punnishment(temporarily) but it is
far better than the hellish condition that awaits you at the
time of YOUR death. If this issue is not resolved to the
complete satisfaction of all sincere devotees then this movement
can not go on as the movement that Srila Prabhupada started.
It may resemble the International Society For Krishna
Consciousness but it will be lacking in purity. For without
purity there is no force to change the consciousness of the
fallen conditioned souls. This situation is similar to when
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta left this world. His disciples were
unable to effectively spread his movement. Only until Srila
Prabhupada detached himself from the self-serving motivated
false gurus did this movement ignite throughout the world. And
why was he so successful? He had NO PERSONAL DESIRE FOR PROFIT,
DISTINCTION OR ADORATION!!! And we all KNEW IT!!! Why else
would we have given up that which was near and dear to our
hearts and follow blindly a small aging man in saffron from
India? Because he was the TRUE JAGAT GURU AND THE ABSOLUTE
POWER OF ALL THE DEMIGODS AND KRISHNA CAME THROUGH HIM. We
were struck with amazement. How many of the present so called
advanced gurus have struck you with amazement?
May the truth be known!!!
HARE KRISHNA, ALL GLORIES TO SRILA PRABHUPADA
GGD
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Subject: WELL DONE ALL OF YOU!
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:26:22 +0100
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All glories to Srila Prabhupada! All glories to Sri Guru
and Sri Gauranga! All glories to the courageous souls who
are unselfishly placing their own personal safety at risk
to attempt to save what's left of the wreckage of ISKCON!!!
Going public is now the only way forward.
Everything else has been tried. The so-called leaders of
so-called ISKCON have had more than enough chances to make
changes.
Just a quick line, as I know you are all too busy to read
long e-mails. But I notice you are taking a lot of 'stick'
from people about what you are doing. I do not understand
these people's motivation. So long as this is presented as
"This is what is wrong with the LEADERS of ISKCON and we're
all trying to put it right", and not "This is what is
wrong
with ISKCON. Full stop". (or period), I cannot see what is
the problem - as this is obviously what you are doing.
How can any individual be ostracised by friends, neighbours
etc if they hear that this 'cleaning-up process' is taking
place within his religious organisation. The problem would
arise if someone is seen to be ACCEPTING a corrupt 'religion'!
Anyway there are another five of us here in England who say
"Good for you", but take care. We will pray for you
every day.
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From: <dd>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 09:45:21 GMT
Dear Puranjana prabhu
I read the pada webpage and found the following statements.
Is it possible to please send me these statements by the gbc,
so that i can read for myself?
You also wrote about one bikini guru who associates with woman
and gets drunk, are there any photos? Ys
[PADA: I think your have confused two separate GBC
"gurus": 1) Hridayananda, who used to give
"darshans" to women in his room
while he was only dressed in an itty bitty bikini, and 2) the
current San Salvador guru who is getting drunk and going to
bars. Hridayananda's crew voted in the next wave, so we've gone
from bikini darshans to full-fledged party time. Good, at least
a reduction of chasing boys im the temples! Go on to the bar,
that is better for your acharyas, and for the small boys of the
world!
As for photos, I think you are confused with 3) Jayatirtha, who
was photographed having sex with a woman, and after that he was
taking drugs ...yet when I protested, they threw me out and kept
him in!]
FROM PADA PAGE:
"...they were fully pure gurus [like Jesus]. However, as
some
alleged "gurus" gradually engaged in more and more
abominable activities, even homosexual pedophilia, the GBC
responded by producing reams of rationalization documents
"proving" that the "eternal guru" may become
engaged in deviations as: "illicit
sex with men, women and maybe children," criminal
activities,
eating steaks, even conspiracy to commit murder. In sum, they
alledgedly "proved" that gurus may act like demons.
However, no bona fide guru or scripture would agree with such
"gurus." Even the Satan worshippers do not openly make
a claim
that "a person like Jesus might be having sex with
children."
Yet the GBC’s "gurus" produce various documents
asserting that
their "Jesus gurus" may be such demons.
On an ISKCON Internet page, i.e. GBC’s "gurus" may
sometimes
engage in" "illicit sexual intercourse with both men,
women and possibly children as well." ["guru position
paper" by ISKCON’s spokesman Jayadvaita swami"].
Almost simultaneously another newsletter
"Pritilakshnam" stated
in their May 1996 issue: "Let’s pray together that
leaders [i.e. "gurus"] weak and compassion and courage
(and abuser might be
your best freind or even your spiritaul master) are eliminated
from position of authority. " [i.e. the GBC’s
"gurus": might be
child or woman abusers.]
[Vipramukhya swami printed Jayadvaita swami's paper, "Where
the
Ritviks Are Right," wherein he admits that ISKCON gurus have
had
illicit sex with men, women and maybe kiddies. This was published
on the Vancouver ISKCON Web site, and has been reposted on Rocana
dasa's site].
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RE: Investigation of Taru dasa's "disappearance" [?].
A devotee wanted to know, what happened to him? He was critical
of Kirtanananda swami, then one day he vanished into thin air.
The temple authorities then said that no one should talk to the
police about it. This was maybe 1984-5? The plot thickens....
The temple authorities told the police that Taru went to India.
But there is no record of his passport, visa, plane ticket;
There is no one who saw him get on the plane;
There is no one who saw him get off the plane;
There is no one who will testify that he was in India?
So, some say he's buried up in them West Virginia hills?
Any help would be appreciated! Hint: we suspect foul play!
Hint no. 2, after these things were going on, Satsvarupa said
that Kirtananda was Jesus, because he thought me and Sulochana
would make good mulch compost in the hills over there too???
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Question to PADA: How can all of this stuff happen? Well, it is
a historical fact that there is often a great saint, who starts
a religion and he gets lots of power and money, etc. Maybe he is
then killed to take over his mission.
Some folks find out this is a good way to make money and get side
benefits like sex and etc., so they turn the saint's mission into
their personal business, as the middle ages Church, the Gaudiya
Matha, as in post 1977 ISKCON, etc. It is history. Then there are
a few die-hards like us, we protest, or maybe get thrown to the
lions, get burned at the stake or etc., but then finally enough
folks wake up and say, hey let's reform the Church, it is rotten!
This is as old as time itself. Lord Chaitanya is God, yet even
He had to fight with the false brahmana "businessmen"
of His
time.... Some people are into saving souls and some people are
into BMW cars, nice houses, worship, servants, etc. This is as
old as time. Yet the charlatan gurus are destined for the most
obnoxious regions of the universe, whereas us sweepers in the
street, we get the real benefits..... eternal blessings of guru!
Their homosexual pedophile guru lineage will be laughed at by
future historians as the most evil stupidiy imaginable! Yes!
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